Re: your sample report on pillars-of-destiny

[jdogt]

I saw a little of the report on Bill Gates.
I just "do not" understand how you guys can come up with such a report when you did not
have Bill Gates's time of birth!!! Remember it is called Ba Zi(eight characters), and now you only have six characters; and you still can come up with a report. That is amazing to me!! It is unbelievable !! Personally, I study feng-shui and ba zi myself, but I never think you can do it without the time of birth. I think your report is simple and full of B.S. Plus, the Ba-qua symbol you have on the your home page is wrong. Please dig out some books to check it out!! Two types of Ba-qua exist. One is pre-heaven and the other is later-heaven. Thanks for reading this post.

[metal]

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Hi Jerry
The brief report I did on Mr Gates does not require his time of birth. =It was based on Numerology.
As for his Pillars chart , I shall leave Cecil or Robert to reply to =that. I am not in their league when it comes to matters of Geomancy et =al.
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Hi Jerry

The brief report I did on Mr Gates =does not
require his time of birth. It was based on Numerology.

As for his Pillars chart , I shall =leave Cecil
or Robert to reply to that. I am not in their league when it comes to =matters of
Geomancy et al.

Glyn
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[Administrator]

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Dear Jerry,
This is where you are wrong. Many Feng Shui Masters can do the Ba Zhi even
without the Hour of birth especially when it is not known like in this case.
And from the 3 pillars it is possible to deduce the hour of birth from
looking at the major events that had happened.
The most important Birth Element comes from the day of birth. If you do not
have the day, month, year of birth or gender then I can say "sorry, there
is no way one can do a proper Pillars of Destiny".
For example, Raymond Lo has also done Pillars of Destiny calculations for
famous people without time of birth.
Similiarly many Masters have also done Pillars of Destiny without the time
of birth when they are unable to obtain them. For example Master Zhao of
China, Master Liang of Hong Kong and many other Masters have done pillars
without the time of birth when they are unknown, in such cases you see the
hour of birth left with a X. This is normally done when the details of the
hour of birth are not available. The pillars resources and case studies are
provided to help users understand Pillars better.
Without the hour of birth, what one lack is one earthly branches and one
heavenly stem. This only means that there will be at least 2 ten deities,
some hidden elements and hidden deities which we cannot made known and that
some additional combinations (especially 3 combination and double
combination) may not occur. But, without hour of birth the Luck Pillars will
still not change because it is deduced from the month of birth and the year
of birth and gender. The various Ten Deities already deduced will not change
as well. What is important is knowing how to interpret the details provided
by the 6 or 8 pillars.
Bill Gates Chart was chosen because, many users often asked us about wealth,
and we wanted to show them how they can utilise such info with his chart.
This was to provide a case study for users to understand a Pillars Report
better and not all areas were fully analysed.
We should not be merely `text' book oriented and have a one-track mind in
thinking that Pillars must be calculated with all four: Year, Month, Day and
Time. What is more important is to understand that in Real Life, not all
people know their time of birth. For this reason, Pillars of Destiny has an
" outlet " and therefore, if we do not know the time of birth, we can still
do calculations. It is best that those who do not really know the true
extent of Pillars do not `jump the gun'.

Quote

Plus, the Ba-qua symbol you have on the your home page is wrong. Please
dig out some books to check it out!! Two types of Ba-qua exist. One is
pre-heaven and the other is later-heaven. Thanks for reading this post.

Please check out http://www.geomancy.net/fs/pakua.htm which was written about
two years back. It is not possible for one logo to have the Fu Xi's Former
Heaven and Second Heaven Bagua.
I am not sure what is your motive of saying such remarks especially on our
site's Logo or graphics:-
1. These are not teaching materials but decorative icons of our site.
2. Learning resources are found at http://www.geomancy.net/fs/theory.htm
This is a gentle reminder not to " flame " in this forum. We take a serious
view against anyone flaming in the conference as most users here to learn
rather than read messages with a `hidden' agenda. (I am specifically
refering to comments on our Bagua logo).
Warmest Regards,
Cecil Lee
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To:
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: your sample report on pillars-of-destiny

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From: "Jerry Chu"
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I saw a little of the report on Bill Gates.
I just "do not" understand how you guys can come up with such a report
when you did not
have Bill Gates's time of birth!!! Remember it is called Ba Zi(eight
characters), and now you only have six characters; and you still can come up
with a report. That is amazing to me!! It is unbelievable !! Personally, I
study feng-shui and ba zi myself, but I never think you can do it without
the time of birth. I think your report is simple and full of B.S.
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[Robert Lee]

To all users,
Since it was pointed out by Jerry, I would like to share with you the
interesting information on how the Geomancy Logo (red bagua) was designed.
When I designed it, I wanted it to be Feng Shui Friendly or the term is also
called " White Feng Shui ".
The bagua logo was based on the Fu Xi First Heaven Sequence Bagua
htp://www.geomancy.net/fs/pakua.htm
The First Heaven Sequence Bagua is a perfect model bagua that is used to
place above a main entrance door to ward off sha qi (posion arrows). Under
our teaching materials, it placed in a South to North model. And in order to
activate the bagua it has to placed as South to North.
However, for our webpage logo, we do not want the this bagua sequence to be
" activated " when users view our website. We therefore, rotated it 180
degrees so that it conforms to the North to South model, and it not
activated when the logo is displayed on the screen or printed out.
The North to South model is also unique because when Cecil started his
website, it was the first website about Feng Shui on the internet and the
Eight house model which he had created was also North to South model making
simple to relate to the ordinary compass.
Hope you find the above information interesting.
Warmest Regards
Robert Lee

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From: "Cecil Lee"
Dear Jerry,
This is where you are wrong. Many Feng Shui Masters can do the Ba Zhi even
without the Hour of birth especially when it is not known like in this
case.
And from the 3 pillars it is possible to deduce the hour of birth from
looking at the major events that had happened.
The most important Birth Element comes from the day of birth. If you do
not
have the day, month, year of birth or gender then I can say "sorry, there
is no way one can do a proper Pillars of Destiny".
For example, Raymond Lo has also done Pillars of Destiny calculations for
famous people without time of birth.
Similiarly many Masters have also done Pillars of Destiny without the time
of birth when they are unable to obtain them. For example Master Zhao of
China, Master Liang of Hong Kong and many other Masters have done pillars
without the time of birth when they are unknown, in such cases you see the
hour of birth left with a X. This is normally done when the details of the
hour of birth are not available. The pillars resources and case studies
are
provided to help users understand Pillars better.
Without the hour of birth, what one lack is one earthly branches and one
heavenly stem. This only means that there will be at least 2 ten deities,
some hidden elements and hidden deities which we cannot made known and
that
some additional combinations (especially 3 combination and double
combination) may not occur. But, without hour of birth the Luck Pillars
will
still not change because it is deduced from the month of birth and the
year
of birth and gender. The various Ten Deities already deduced will not
change
as well. What is important is knowing how to interpret the details
provided
by the 6 or 8 pillars.
Bill Gates Chart was chosen because, many users often asked us about
wealth,
and we wanted to show them how they can utilise such info with his chart.
This was to provide a case study for users to understand a Pillars Report
better and not all areas were fully analysed.
We should not be merely `text' book oriented and have a one-track mind in
thinking that Pillars must be calculated with all four: Year, Month, Day
and
Time. What is more important is to understand that in Real Life, not all
people know their time of birth. For this reason, Pillars of Destiny has
an
" outlet " and therefore, if we do not know the time of birth, we can
still
do calculations. It is best that those who do not really know the true
extent of Pillars do not `jump the gun'.
>Plus, the Ba-qua symbol you have on the your home page is wrong. Please
dig out some books to check it out!! Two types of Ba-qua exist. One is
pre-heaven and the other is later-heaven. Thanks for reading this post.
Please check out http://www.geomancy.net/fs/pakua.htm which was written
about
two years back. It is not possible for one logo to have the Fu Xi's Former
Heaven and Second Heaven Bagua.
I am not sure what is your motive of saying such remarks especially on our
site's Logo or graphics:-
1. These are not teaching materials but decorative icons of our site.
2. Learning resources are found at http://www.geomancy.net/fs/theory.htm
This is a gentle reminder not to " flame " in this forum. We take a
serious
view against anyone flaming in the conference as most users here to learn
rather than read messages with a `hidden' agenda. (I am specifically
refering to comments on our Bagua logo).
Warmest Regards,
Cecil Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Listmanager
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: your sample report on pillars-of-destiny
> From: "Jerry Chu"
>
> This message is sent from "pillars-of-destiny" Mailing List.
>
> I saw a little of the report on Bill Gates.
> I just "do not" understand how you guys can come up with such a report
when you did not
> have Bill Gates's time of birth!!! Remember it is called Ba Zi(eight
characters), and now you only have six characters; and you still can come
up
with a report. That is amazing to me!! It is unbelievable !! Personally,
I
study feng-shui and ba zi myself, but I never think you can do it without
the time of birth. I think your report is simple and full of B.S.

[Guest]

Dear Cecil,
Unfortunately there has always been a "Jerry" on every list I have ever
subscribed to. I don't know why people need to be so nasty in public. It is
not appreciated here, and I hope he will go away if he feels he has to be
attacking someone.
Nansi