myfs_149985 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Hi!I have read up a little on geomancy but am somewhat confused by what should rightfully be the correct date when it comes to someone born after 12am but before 12:59am. Eg, someone born on the western date of 12th March 2000 12:30am, should he/she be considered to be born on the chinese date of 6th or 7th February? Casually asking around, was somewhat told that it should be considered as 6th February since the sun has not yet risen for 7th February, thus its not a new day yet. Appreciate your input on the above towards this confusion of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Cecil Lee Posted May 22, 2011 Staff Share Posted May 22, 2011 Please see attachment. Note the Hour of Birth frame... Quote On 5/22/2011 1:28:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:Hi!I have read up a little ongeomancy but am somewhatconfused by what shouldrightfully be the correct datewhen it comes to someone bornafter 12am but before 12:59am.Eg, someone born on thewestern date of 12th March2000 12:30am, should he/she beconsidered to be born on thechinese date of 6th or 7thFebruary? Casually askingaround, was somewhat told thatit should be considered as 6thFebruary since the sun has notyet risen for 7th February,thus its not a new day yet.Appreciate your input on theabove towards this confusionof mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfs_149985 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Hi Master Cecil,Going by the attached hour of birth listing, I believe you meant Geomancy timing should follow the western timing? Thereby, he/she should be deemed to be born on the chinese date of 7th February 12:30am (Zi) hour from my example. So, is it correct to say that 'the sun has not yet risen for the new day' holds no weight? Many thanks for your input in further understanding the above! Quote On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, Anonymous wrote:Please see attachment. Note the Hour ofBirth frame...On 5/22/2011 1:28:50 PM,Anonymous wrote: >Hi!I have read up alittle on >geomancy but am somewhatconfused by what shouldrightfully be the correct datewhen it comes to someone bornafter 12am but before 12:59am.Eg, someone born on the >westerndate of 12th March >2000 12:30am,should he/she be >considered to beborn on the >chinese date of 6th or7th >February? Casually askingaround, was somewhat told thatit should be considered as 6thFebruary since the sun has notyet risen for 7th February, >thusits not a new day yet. >Appreciateyour input on the >above towards thisconfusion >of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Cecil Lee Posted May 22, 2011 Staff Share Posted May 22, 2011 1. Please note that the Chinese Hour is based on TWO hourly timings.2. Thus, it is a "repetitive" model e.g. 11 to 1, 1 to 3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7,7 to 9, 9 to 11. Be it for am or pm. (Starting from odd numbers = yang)3. Thus it can be said to be 11, 3, 5, 7, 9 and loops back to 11. 4. In addition, there are only TWELVE (12) Zodiac signs and in a 24 hour time frame. Thus Each zodiac sign must occupy one of the TWO hours. Logic says that the rat, being the first animal sign must start at some timing e.g. 11am. 5. Therefore, anyone born between 11am to 1pm or 11pm to 1am is considered as born in the RAT hour. Thus, these hours are definitely not belong to the OX = 1 to 3 or the PIG = 9 to 11. Ref: http://lovesigns.net 6. There are TWO Schools of thoughts with regards to which day one is born in for those on this borderline of 11PM TO 1PM.6.1. THE EXTREMIST VIEW6.1.1 Some Geomancers use this extremist VIEW and consider anyone born between 11pm to 2pm as belonging to the "earlier" period: born on 6th February instead of 7th February.6.1.2 As the description suggests; some practise this but in my opinion; not the most popular view.6.2. THE PRACTICAL VIEW6.2.1 Many of us instinctively feel and also see on our birth certificate that we are born e.g. 0001HRS onwards on a 7th February. Thus, it is very hard for a lay person to want to use 6th February instead of 7th February in this example.6.2.2 Frankly, there is nothing wrong to "split-up" the TWO Hours into virtual time-zones. For example: 2300HRS TO 2359HRS on a 6th Feburary and then 0000HRS onwards to 1259HRS. This is perfectly fine! As ain't both still belong to the RAT hour? 6.2.3 Thus the HOUR field is a separate module from the DAY field! Quote On 5/22/2011 5:17:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:Hi Master Cecil,Going by the attachedhour of birth listing, I believe youmeant Geomancy timing should follow thewestern timing? Thereby, he/she shouldbe deemed to be born on the chinese dateof 7th February 12:30am (Zi) hour frommy example. So, is it correct to saythat 'the sun has not yet risen for thenew day' holds no weight? Many thanksfor your input in further understandingthe above!On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, CecilLee wrote:Please see attachment. Note the HourofBirth frame...On 5/22/2011 1:28:50PM,Anonymous wrote:Hi!I have readup alittle ongeomancy but amsomewhatconfused by what shouldrightfully be the correct datewhen it comes to someone bornafter 12am but before 12:59am.Eg, someone born on thewesterndate of 12th March2000 12:30am,should he/she beconsidered tobeborn on thechinese date of 6thor7thFebruary? Casually askingaround, was somewhat told thatit should be considered as 6thFebruary since the sun has notyet risen for 7th February,thusits not a new day yet.Appreciateyour input on theabove towardsthisconfusionof mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Cecil Lee Posted May 22, 2011 Staff Share Posted May 22, 2011 1. Please refer to the attachedillustration.2. Based on the Practical view on how to apply the hours in the Chinese system;3. The rat hour will always be a rat hour distinct from the DAY module.4. Thus, if one is born on 6th February between 2300HRS to 2359HRS; this is still the RAT hour. And 0000HRS to 0100HRS on 7th February is still the RAT hour except born on a different day. 5. The test of a system is to ask as many people what they think. Logically, most of us find this "practical view" more sensible than the extremist view. As I mentioned; look at the HOUR system as a separate MODULE from the DAY system. It is clearly illustrated in the attachment.6. Of course, there are "extremists" out there who thinks otherwise. I am only trying to state the facts, here and it has more to do with commonsense. Quote On 5/22/2011 7:57:01 PM, Anonymous wrote:1. Please note that theChinese Hour is based on TWOhourly timings.2. Thus, it isa "repetitive" modele.g. 11 to 1, 1 to3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7,7 to9, 9 to 11. Be it for am orpm. (Starting from odd numbers= yang)3. Thus it can be saidto be 11, 3, 5, 7, 9 and loopsback to 11. 4. In addition,there are only TWELVE (12)Zodiac signs and in a 24 hourtime frame. Thus Each zodiacsign must occupy one of theTWO hours. Logic says that therat, being the first animalsign must start at some timinge.g. 11am. 5. Therefore,anyone born between 11am to1pm or 11pm to 1am isconsidered as born in the RAThour. Thus, these hours aredefinitely not belong to theOX = 1 to 3 or the PIG = 9 to11. Ref: http://lovesigns.net6. There are TWO Schools ofthoughts with regards to whichday one is born in for thoseon this borderline of 11PM TO1PM.6.1. THE EXTREMIST VIEW6.1.1 Some Geomancers use thisextremist VIEW and consideranyone born between 11pm to2pm as belonging to the"earlier" period: born on 6thFebruary instead of 7thFebruary.6.1.2 As the descriptionsuggests; some practise thisbut in my opinion; not themost popular view.6.2. THE PRACTICAL VIEW6.2.1 Many of us instinctivelyfeel and also see on our birthcertificate that we are borne.g. 0001HRS onwards on a 7thFebruary. Thus, it is veryhard for a lay person to wantto use 6th February instead of7th February in this example.6.2.2 Frankly, there isnothing wrong to "split-up"the TWO Hours into virtualtime-zones. For example:2300HRS TO 2359HRS on a 6thFeburary and then 0000HRSonwards to 1259HRS. This isperfectly fine! As ain't bothstill belong to the RAThour?6.2.3 Thus the HOUR field is a separatemodule from the DAY field! On 5/22/20115:17:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:HiMaster Cecil,Going by the attachedhour of birth listing, I believe youmeant Geomancy timing should followthewestern timing? Thereby, he/sheshouldbe deemed to be born on thechinese dateof 7th February 12:30am(Zi) hour frommy example. So, is itcorrect to saythat 'the sun has notyet risen for thenew day' holds noweight? Many thanksfor your inputin further understandingtheabove!On 5/22/2011 1:29:55 PM, CecilLee wrote:Please seeattachment. Note the HourofBirth frame...On 5/22/20111:28:50PM,Anonymous wrote:Hi!I have readup alittle ongeomancy but amsomewhatconfused bywhat shouldrightfully bethe correct datewhen itcomes to someone bornafter12am but before 12:59am.Eg,someone born on thewesterndate of 12th March200012:30am,should he/she beconsidered tobeborn onthechinese date of 6thor7thFebruary? Casuallyaskingaround, was somewhattold thatit should beconsidered as 6thFebruarysince the sun has notyetrisen for 7th February,thusits not a new day yet.Appreciateyour input ontheabove towardsthisconfusionof mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfs_149985 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hi Master Cecil, Many thanks! What you have explained has been very helpful as is detailed. It is a very informative read and has helped cleared my confusion as well as any others who may be confused as I was. Thank you! Quote On 5/22/2011 8:18:44 PM, Anonymous wrote: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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